Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves, left, and chair of the Police Welfare Association, Sergeant Brenton Smith. (iWN file photos)

Prime Minister and Minister of National Security Ralph Gonsalves and head of the Police Welfare Association, Sergeant Brenton Smith, crossed swords last month, December 2017, over comments made by Smith, earlier in the year, that he and his group would “storm” the office of the Prime Minister to seek redress of matters affecting the constabulary.

Gonsalves brought up the issue during the discussion on a debate on pension reform during the annual budget consultations with public sector unions, which was chaired by the new Minister of Finance, Camillo Gonsalves.

In the closed-door meeting, a record of which was obtained by iWitness News, the prime minister had outlined his government’s view on pensions reform, stating that the current arrangement in which public servants get a pension from the central government and another from the National Insurance Services is unsustainable.

In response to the prime minister’s presentation, head of the Public Service Union, Elroy Boucher, said that the prime minister has suggested that his government is prepared for a battle for public opinion over the issue.

Gonsalves had earlier suggested that there could be a class war over pension.

Boucher, in rephrasing his response, said,  “But I am saying we do not envision a conflict when it comes to pension reform.”

“I prefer when we talk like that,” the prime minister said.

“Men wanted to come here to storm me,” he adding triggering raucous laughter at the meeting which was also attended by Smith and other members of his executive.

“But the men are here already,” Boucher said to more laughter, adding, “So they have actually stormed you. It shows you how innocent that is, eh?”

“Innocent?” the prime minister said.

“What I said publicly is this: I have men around me whose duty it is to protect my person and anybody who comes, policeman or otherwise, who want to storm would have to get past those first. And if they believe that because they name police they could storm me and get past those who around me, they have another guess coming.”

At this point, Smith, joined the conversation, saying, “Sir, we can’t use things for political expediency, you know. It can’t be so. Because I am confident that the Police Welfare Association, which I am head of, has an obligation to protect every single soul in St. Vincent and the Grenadines, including the Prime Minister. And some of us are probably even more loyal than some of the persons who are being mentioned here today. More loyal.”

Gonsalves, responded, “Who are being mentioned here today?

“Smithy let me tell you something. I don’t want this conversation to deteriorate.”

“I didn’t bring it up,” Smith responded.

“I don’t want this conversation to deteriorate, but I tell you something, you were entirely rude and out of order to talk that you would storm the office of the prime minister,” Gonsalves said.

“Rude and out of order. So that you can say what you want to say. I am telling you this. All I am saying is that who coming here to storm, I have people here to protect me.”

Smith said that the Welfare Association would have to be “crazy people to know of your protection and come to storm in any violent way.”

Gonsalves told Smith that there are a lot of crazy people around.

“Well not in the Welfare Association. Surely not the Welfare Association. We can’t use these things for testing grounds, politically you know,” Smith further said, in an apparent suggestion that the government wanted to see how the unions would respond before announcing a policy on pension reform.

Gonsalves, however, told Smith that he is not going to be engaged in any discussion in relation to the “storm”.

“I am not bringing myself to that today,” the prime minister said.

“I didn’t bring it up,” Smith responded.

“And I raised it in a particular context,” the prime minister said.

“So don’t think you can come here to engage the prime minister with that kind of rubbish. I’m not going to stand for it. I am not going to engage myself in it. I just want to tell you that I respect you as an individual, you respect the prime minister.”

Constable Kenroy Martin, left, and Sergeant Smith have been brought up on internal disciplinary charges over the “storm” comment. (Photo: Facebook)

Smith told Gonsalves that he has respected him over the years and will always do so.

“You have shown great disrespect to the prime minister. You have shown great disrespect,” Gonsalves, however, said.

“When was that, sir?” Smith said.

“I am giving you my opinion. I don’t have to detail it here,” Gonsalves said, adding, “You may disagree with me.”

Smith responded: “But over the years, you have said otherwise. You are on the record stating otherwise, when it comes to Brenton Smith as the chairman of the Welfare Association, you are on the record saying otherwise.”

Gonsalves said, “What I know is this, you say you want to come and storm the office of the prime minister. That is wha’ you said, you know.”

Smith responded: “So when we say we are going to storm a party or a wedding, that is violence? Hear what we said, storm the prime minister’s office to get redress of issues. How can we want to storm the office of the prime minister to get redress in that way? Come on, let us be real.”

Gonsalves, however, told Smith that he credits him “with more intelligence than to jostle with me with that kind of rubbish.”

Smith and Constable Kenroy Martin, another member of his executive, have been brought up on internal disciplinary proceedings over the comments.

The comments were made in a WhatsApp group comprised of members of the executive of the Police Welfare Association.

The recording was leaked and later became public.

The internal disciplinary proceedings were instituted against Smith and Martin after prosecutors decided that the allegations contained nothing to substantiate a criminal charge against the men.

In his end of year address to the association, Smith called on members never to be “as selfish as the snitch in the executive” who leaked the recording.

Gonsalves also mentioned the storm comment at the annual Police Awards Ceremony last week Thursday, Dec. 28, 2017, joking that his lateness in arriving at the event was not because anyone had stormed him.

4 replies on “PM, police welfare head spar over ‘storm’ office comment”

  1. I have to agree with the Prime Minister on this one. Some jobs in SVG are underpaid especially when you think about the sky-high taxes in the country, but on the other hand when you consider that the police and possibly others get two pensions while some jobs in the Private Sector get no pension at all it is not right. Then think that some get many tens of thousands for severance pay, (some get hundreds of thousands!)!!!! If you are a Private Sector employer and your business is not strong because to the terrible economics of our government…how can you pay for all of this and think you can make a profit?…well, you can’t!
    Most of our problems can be alleviated if we institute rationality into the system, this includes the stupidity of those that run our unsustainable economic system

  2. Vince Canadian says:

    A worke for the Canadian Federal Government for the past 35 years and when I retired from a active service, I got only one pension. During that time I contributed to the CPP which is equivalent to the (NIS) as and my company’a pension which is my employer pension which is the equivalent to the Government of St Vincent pension. At retirement the CPP and my Government pension merged into one payment at 65 . Accordingly, I understand what Ralph is saying about sustainability. If the two payments that an employee received is not sustainable in Canada, it is also unsustainable in St Vincent. Therefore, pension reform is necessary, not because Ralph says ,so but it is already a reality in Canada.

  3. Vaughn Blanchard says:

    One cannot earn more money in retirement, from pensions, than when one was employed, from salary. The private pension plans that I know of clearly take into consideration NIC and SS when arriving at pension payments.

  4. Vince Canadian says:

    As a federal employee I received 2 percent for each year that I work based on the last best five years of continuous employment. According, I got a maximum of 70 percent of my income for the last five years which is not bad. The Cpp has a factor that takes into consideration the Cpp forgone so technically I get 70 percent along with my dental etc.

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