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Queue Outside Vinlec

A queue outside Vinlec in Paul’s Avenue on Feb. 1, 2021. (iWN photo)

A former permanent secretary in the Ministry of Health is questioning whether there is any difference between the law mandating the wearing of face masks in certain places and what obtained before there was no law.

Lanceford Weekes voiced his concern during an interaction with Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves on WE FM on Sunday.

The statutory rules and orders that came into effect on Sunday impose an EC$100 ticket for not wearing a mask in a public place or a place to which the public has access.

However, the rules do not apply to persons queuing up outside a public place to access a service provided inside that particular place.

For instance, while under the law, a bank is considered to be a public place and, therefore, a person must wear a mask inside the bank, that same person can choose not to wear a mask while queuing up outside to access the services provided inside the bank.

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“That has not been dealt with in these regulations, so the guidelines will apply,” Gonsalves said. “We could devise regulations for it but it becomes a little more problematic.”

The guidelines suggest that persons stand six feet apart and wear a face mask to help to contain the spread of COVID-19.

However, there is no legal sanction for persons who fail to do so outside of a “public place”, as defined in the regulations.

The prime minister said that he had noticed that “most of the places around town, like banks and so on, they have marks outside where you’re supposed to line up in a particular manner and they say you must wear the mask.

“If it turns out that that is an area where we have problems, we can always go and extend the rules.”

But Weekes told Gonsalves that the rules that his government passed and which came into effect on Saturday, will not be significantly different from what obtained before.

“Because effectively, the institutions, the establishments, themselves have been making it mandatory,” Weekes said.

Many places have been making it mandatory for persons to wear a face mask in order to enter the establishment.

And even where some persons might have threatened to sue if denied entry to or service at a particular establishment because they were not wearing a face  mask, Gonsalves, who is a lawyer, had said that any such lawsuit would fail.

Responding to Weekes’ observation, the prime minister said:

“Except to say this: the Chamber of Industry and Commerce had a meeting with the chief medical officer and the medical officer of health and their team and they had written a letter also to me, saying they would like for inside of their buildings, if we can have the regulations put in place, because when they tell people, people say, ‘Wha’ yo’ talking to me ‘bout?’ and then put the onus on them to have to put them out or stop them from coming in. Now, they know that there is a rule and there would be a fine.”

But Weekes said, “But on the other hand, Prime Minister, the same people are outside pushing each other down to get inside.”

The prime minister said:

“Yes, that’s not covered in these rules but one would expect that if you are going inside a bank, you are going to have on your mask because from the time you enter the door, if you don’t have it, is a fine; is a ticket.

“And usually the security helps to take care of this particular problem but if it is one which is considered to be one which ought to be regulated, we will also do so. But this particular set of regulations were done on the basis of the recommendation of people from the Chamber of Industry and Commerce and the analysis done by the medical officer of health and the chief medical officer.”

Under the rules, a person who violates the mask-wearing or indoor dining rules, or who rides in or drives a public service vehicle without wearing a mask will be issued an EC$100 ticket for each of those offences. 

A similar fine will be imposed for the driver of a public service vehicle in which more than 50% of the licensed number of passengers travel.

The rules also imposes an EC$500 fine on persons who violate the mass gathering limitations.

A person who fails to pay an EC$100 ticket faces an EC$500 fine if the matter goes to court and a fine of up to EC$1,000 if they fail to pay an EC$500 ticket.

There is no alternative prison sentence for failing to pay the fine, which would be treated as a civil debt to the Crown.

Under the rules, a public place is defined as an indoor area, whether publicly or privately owned, to which the public has access by right or invitation expressed or implied, whether by payment of money or not, but does not include a daycare, or pre-school.

Gonsalves said:

“So you are encouraged to wear your mask on the road, but it is not mandatory. It’s really to indoor areas. Public places — places to which the public has access if it is a private place or it is somewhere which is publicly owned, obviously meaning all the various business places, government offices and the like, which is happening more or less already.”

He further noted that wearing of the mask means ‘fitted to his face so as to cover his nose, mouth and chin. And where a person under the rule is a child accompanied by a person who has responsibility for the child, the person shall provide and ensure that the child has and wears a mask in a manner required by the rule”.

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8 replies on “Former health PS questions logic of not mandating face masks in queues”

  1. Avatar Of Now Is The TimeNow is the time says:

    The Prime Minister either doesn’t know Vincentians or is being willfully ignorant of how Vincentians behave. At my businesses customers without mask stand at the door asking to be served. Serving them potentially exposes myself and my staff. Yes, I can refuse them service, but under the Government’s current guidelines I have no foundation on which to do so.

    In order to effectively fight the virus the Government needs to take serious action and let Vincentians and visitors to the St. Vincent understand that there will be serious consequences for non compliance. Thus far the Government’s response has been lackluster as if the virus is something they can control. Bring on the Draconian measures Ralph, now is the time.

  2. These people in saint Vincent should follow the rules. If you don’t have on your mask you cant go into establishment. That’s the rules and it.should be followed. Why in the world would anyone make this an issue. We only have 100 and something thousand on the island, if this disease sweep through there like in the US or the UK , you all know much of the inhabitants wont be there on the island. People follow the rules for Christ sake.

  3. It sounds to me as if the new rules are no different than the old rules. Of course it makes no difference that ALL scientific studies prove that a mask does not stop the pread,nor protect the wearer from Covid, THESE RULES ARE ANYWAY BASED ON FEAR, NOT SCIENCE! In fact it has been proven that wearing a mask can cause you to get sick, including Covid.
    So, good, I do not have to wear a mask while walking around in Kingstown. I was worried that SVG was getting to be a worse draconian state than even the USA is becoming right now.

  4. Would or rather can someone tell Ralph Gonsalves for me please that he is certainly not the only man God blessed with a brain can someone please tell him that Lance suggestions makesuch more blasted sense than his could someone asked him for me please when is he going home and that Vincentians like me fedup hearing his reasoning it dotish it stupid tell him so for me please tell him to start listening to other peopleuch more intelligent than him who has no doctorate degree he big fool stupid man!!??

  5. If he is so frightened then he can wear a mask whenever he wants to…if he thinks that is going to save him from getting this mild-flu-like, man-made virus that 99.8% who get it make a FULL recovery, unlike Zika.

    1. Avatar Of Nathan 'Jolly' GreenNathan 'Jolly' Green says:

      Duke it is people like you who show what a real problem SVG has with ignorance. Some people will get mild symptoms.

      They go home to Granny and Grandad, or your old mammy even, they catch it but in old people it frequently kills.

      You do not care and only think about yourself. Wake up man and stop pedaling stories that not just show your ignorance but create a danger to other people.

      1. No, you are the problem. Stop the scare mongering, only the sick pedophile billionaires who planned this benefit. Stop supporting the evil nonsense. Remember the Nurenberg codes, no forced medical intervention.

  6. Avatar Of Concerned CitizenConcerned Citizen says:

    Covid is a big problem in SVG , and ignorant views such as those posted by Duke shows a big part of the problem is IGNORANCE, N95 and KN95 masks greatly reduce the rate of transmission of the virus together with other transient viruses. The poster Duke would appear to condone a maskless approach which by his twisted logic would somehow reduce the rate of transmission in the population.

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