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Lawyer Kay Bacchus-Baptiste and Prime Minister and Minister of Legal Affair, Dr. Ralph Gonsalves. (iWN file photos)

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By Kenton X. Chance 

An experienced criminal lawyer says Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves is wrong when he says a police officer can give a presiding magistrate beforehand information not relayed to the accused in court, on which the magistrate would rely to make a decision about the defendant.

“It is absolutely against the administration of justice — and make no bones about this — for someone to say, and least of all the Minister of Legal Affairs, to tell this nation that you have a case involving the defendant and that the police should go and can go to the defendant’s back and give information concerning the case to the magistrate who is going to try the case,” Kay Bacchus-Baptiste, who is also an opposition senator, said on Current Affairs on NICE Radio Tuesday night.

“And to say that is what should happen and then blame the lawyer who is dealing with the matter for saying he did not know what to do? As far as I am concerned, that statement is a statement which the police should investigate as causing fear and alarm in the country,” said the lawyer who noted that she has been practicing law longer than Gonsalves, who has not been practising for almost 20 years.

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Lawyer Kay Bacchus-Baptiste. (iWN file photo)

Gonsalves, who is also Minister of Legal Affairs, has been making the assertion on radio in an apparent attempt to defend Kingstown Magistrate Bertie Pompey’s Jan. 5, decision to send former model Yugge Farrell, 22, for two weeks of psychiatric evaluation.

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The police prosecutor in the matter did not give the court any reasons to support her application, and Farrell was committed to the psychiatric hospital amidst strong protest by her lawyer, Grant Connell.

The application to send Farrell for a psychiatric evaluation came after she pleaded not guilty to calling the prime minister’s daughter-in-law, Karen Duncan-Gonsalves — wife of Finance Minister, Camillo Gonsalves — a “dirty b***h” in Kingstown on Jan. 4.

Since her hospitalisation, videos have appeared on social media in which Farrell alleges that she had an extra-marital relationship with Camillo, which she said ended in 2016.

But the prime minister, a lawyer, in his public comments on the matter, seems to have surprised many when he said that the magistrate can act on information not adduced in open court.

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Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves. (iWN file photo)

At a press conference on Monday, iWitness News asked Gonsalves to say — as an experienced lawyer and Minister of Legal Affairs — what are the circumstances in which a magistrate can consider in arriving at his decision to send someone for a psychiatric evaluation, information not presented in open court.

The prime minister said there are three sets of circumstances, broadly, adding that when a person appears before a magistrate to plea, the magistrate could make a determination “by information which is given to him before, to send that person for evaluation”.

iWitness News told the prime minister, “For clarity, given to him by whom”.

“Through the prosecution,” Gonsalves said.

He said the magistrate could also arrive at that decision if during the course of a trial it appears to the magistrate that the defendant may have difficulties carrying out their defence.

He said the third case is where the defendant raises a defence of insanity or diminished responsibility.

iWitness News, which was one of two media entities in court when Farrell was arraigned, did not observe any of the latter two circumstances outlined by the prime minister.

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Farrell was once a top model. (iWN photo)

Farrell was represented by a lawyer and was not required, as is normally the case, to present a defence at the arraignment.

In the first instance, iWitness News cannot say whether the prosecutor had given the magistrate information beforehand, but no reasons for the application to send Farrell for psychiatric evaluation were presented to the court.

At the press conference, he was asked to cite the law that gives a magistrate such powers.

He cited no law, but said, “My understanding of the law, if the magistrate receives the information from — and it may well be information given by the police and made reference in whatever details they give, or even in a document. And the magistrate would say I would send this person for [psychiatric evaluation].”

Asked again, if that can be done without disclosing that information to the defence, Gonsalves said, “Yes.”

He added: “In my years in practise, that is what I’ve seen happen over the years and it has been assumed to be within the framework of the law. However, what a good defence lawyer does in those circumstances is to say, ‘Your worship, you seem to have information available to you which is not available to me that you re intending to send this person for evaluation, could you stand it down and share that information with me?

“Because, sometimes, you may not want, in open court, to deal with that information at that particular point in time.”

In her radio commentary on Tuesday, Bacchus-Baptiste said that may persons have spoken about Gonsalves’ comments since he first made them on radio.

“I don’t know if they have come out, but it is absolutely wrong, in no civil society where you have a constitution, where there is a right to a fair trial, can anyone tell me that it is proper for police, and especially a policeman who is presenting the evidence and who is leading the case. You have a police case and you are telling me that it is okay for the police in a police case to go to the magistrate who is trying the case, behind the back of the defendant and give him information that would prejudice his decision.”

She said she was “completely flabbergasted” by the prime minister’s comments.

“…  and I can only come to the conclusion that this issue is so deep that it has put the Gonsalves family into a tailspin and we are hearing these alarming statements.

“Make no bones about it. It is highly incorrect.”

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Minister of Finance, Camillo Gonsalves. (iWN file photo)

Bacchus Baptiste said she has been practicing law for longer than Gonsalves and noted that he has not been practicing for almost two decades.

“So for him to come on the radio and boast about his scholarship in the law, makes me laugh,” she said.

“And to try to cast aspersions on what Grant Connell did, I was not there but I understand that Mr. Connell did all that he could to stop the magistrate making that decision which he made, which, in my opinion, was wrong, ultra vires, and outside his scope…

“But I want the public to understand. What Dr. Gonsalves said on Boom, what he intimated on other radio stations, is not what should happen in a country where the administration of justice is paramount. It is incorrect. It is alarming that the prime minister and Minister of Legal Affairs would say something like that. So we have to ask ourselves, why is he saying this then? Why is he defending the magistrate? Why is he making a case for his silent son?”

The prime minister has said that he has advised Camillo to maintain a dignified silence on the allegations against him.

However, the prime minister and other members of his government, and Camillo’s younger brother, Storm Gonsalves have been commenting publicly on the development.

27 replies on “Ralph is ‘wrong’”

  1. I am not a legal expert but my understanding of our British-derived legal system is that evidence available to the prosecution must be made available to the defense so that that the defendant can be properly represented based on the presumption of innocense until proven guilty.

    1. “Gonsalves is wrong when he says a police officer can give a presiding magistrate beforehand information not relayed to the accused in court, on which the magistrate would rely to make a decision about the defendant.”

      He is wrong or he outright ‘LIED’ again in his statement to the public. [to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive] He keeps telling us how experienced he is so it cannot be a simple mistake.

  2. You have to wonder how stupid does our Prime Minister think we are? Does it exist in any Democracy that someone can whisper something in a judges ear OUTSIDE OF COURT and then convict someone for it, TO INCLUDE THAT THE EVIDENCE CONVICTING THE PERSON WILL NEVER APPEAR IN ANY COURT RECORDS? It makes all of us sad to believe that such corruption exists in Saint Vincent […]

  3. I am sure we all appreciate Kay Bacchus-Baptiste for standing up for not only the Rule of Law, but Justice and Human Rights for ALL OF US. Too bad we cannot rely on our Prime Minister to do this for us in any instance where it concerns those with privilege.

  4. Hmmm.. Wrong! The Government has a right to detain anyone on national security grounds without full disclosure of the evidence to that person. The disclosure of the evidence can be made available to the presiding judge only by the police or DPP! For example- a search warrant is signed off without the criminal knowing beforehand and a magistrate being privy to the information.

    1. Are you sure this detention is not just for a maximum of 48 hours. Is this incident a matter of national security? What you are saying is unrelated to this case.

    2. Good points which are totally irrelevant to the present issue which is in no way a national security issue but involves the minor public breach of using offensive speach in which it looks like the court was privy to information that was illegally withheld from the defense.

      Your silly reference to a search warrant is even more irrelevant to the matter at hand.

    1. How long have you been working for the ULP and what are they giving you to troll the internet in an attempt to steer Public Opinion in a unrelated direction?

      1. Why is it when someone comment on anything they are placed either with the ULP or NDP? That’s the core nature of the problems affecting this country.

    2. What other issue should she be focusing on? Isn’t social justice something important to you? Oh yea, another feeder from the ULP bowl!

  5. Brown Boy USA says:

    No Kay, Ralph is the supreme authority on everything legal in this country! It does not matter what the law says, it’s whatever Ralph says go! How unfortunate that our people are being so misled. The refused to wake up and seek the truth. And thank you, Kenton for telling it like it is. Don’t mek they silence you.

  6. CSIS, you are sounding like Gonsalves. What you list are different matters, different circumstances.

    As for the use of search warrants, every warrant they apply for they head “Guns, ammunition, drugs” when in fact they are going on a fishing trip or simply sent as a form of harassment and to put the frighteners on people.

    Dozens of people have been intimidated in this way, sent by a politician. Almost none have resulted in an arrest. You see they do not require a search warrant for those things, they can come into your home on the suspicion without a warrant. They simply have to say we have reason to believe —

    The whole police and judicial system is affected by political intervention.

    1. Brown Boy USA says:

      Explain yourself because is people like you who usually mek us look stupid. Kay has a valid point so don’t be so stupid and be guided by political curry favor. Your country comes first, right is right and wrong is wrong. What make Kay not ready?

  7. It does not take a brain surgeon to rip to shreds the entire ordeal of this matter to conclude the loop-wholes in this case. Even in the PM’s statements he used words like ““MY UNDERSTANDING of the law, and IT MAY well be information given >>>>>
    To be honest, the strongest terms I have read so far in my following this topic is that of Lawyer Kay Bacchus-Baptiste’s as quoted in this article:- “Make no bones about it. It is highly incorrect.”

  8. If there is a woman in SVG that is the most qualified in every aspect to become the first woman PM of SVG is this woman. Put this woman at the helm of the NDP and you will see results. Would the current leader of the party step aside and allow this honorable woman to lead the NDP to a victory?

  9. Scorpio you really are an idiot to except payment in kind or favour to come here with your silly propagandist remarks.

  10. This is a clear abuse of power and corruption. Since when do people in SVG get arrested for calling someone a derogatory name much less hospitalized for mental evaluation? They are trying to make an example of this young lady by any means necessary and it backfired and blew up in their face.

    1. Beth, you may be right! Maybe the “chosen ones” even have a dual purpose to keep us “useless eaters” in our place.

  11. Here is the difference Kay has the experience to work within the law, and show a great respect for the law.

    Ralph has been known to go into parliament and changes them to make them fit. Or he makes statements about his interpretation of the law which sometimes bare no reality with actual fact.

    There are a number of Vincentian lawyers that actually hold doctorates [PhD] in law, Gonsalves is not one of those. People think his PhD was earned in law, it was not.

    Perhaps it’s not the legal expertise that should be considered, it’s the misuse of the braca anguis that blights the family and ultimately the state of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.

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