There was a dramatic development last Thursday, Day 4 of the election petitions trial, over what was being said and by whom in a video filmed during the counting of the vote in Central Leeward, on the night of the Dec. 9, 2015 general election.

Lawyer Maia Eustace, who was a roving agent for Benjamin “Ben” Exeter, filmed the video, which is 2 minutes 40 seconds long.

Exeter was the candidate for the main opposition New Democratic Party (NDP) and has brought a petition challenging the outcome of the vote in that district. 

On Thursday, Senior Counsel Anthony Astaphan, a lawyer for the government in the case, recalled Exeter to the stand, one day after he had been cross examined.

Astaphan wanted to ask Exeter questions about the video which the court had had technical problems playing during the petitioner’s cross examination.

Lead counsel for the petitioner, Queen’s Counsel Stanley “Stalky” John told the court that he had no objection to Exeter being cross examined about the video.

In the video, a female voice, which Exeter said is Eustace’s, is heard telling Winston Gaymes, the returning officer for Central Leeward, that Gaymes had rejected, at another polling station, ballots that did not have the official mark or initials of the presiding officer.

She further tells Gaymes that they were now at a polling station in which none of the ballots had the initials or official mark of the presiding officer and he had decided to count them.

Exeter said he could not recall how far Eustace was from him but said that Gaymes was two or three feet away from him (Exeter) when Eustace spoke.

The petitioner, Benjamin “Ben” Exeter during a break in the proceedings on Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2018. (iWN photo)

Astaphan said that after Eustace spoke about every ballot lacking the initials and official mark of the presiding officer someone said something.

He suggested to Exeter that that person said, “You did not object.”

“I didn’t say that,” Exeter said, and Astaphan told Exeter that someone else had made the statement.

Exeter said he did not hear that, adding that no one from his team said that.

Astaphan said that Eustace went on to say, “you have accepted” then someone else said clearly, “You didn’t oppose”.

Exeter, however, said he did not hear that.

Astaphan said that Eustace went on to say, “That result, you have confirmed it” and someone said again, “you did not oppose”.

Exeter maintained that he had not heard that and Astaphan said that as someone began to say, “you didn’t” Eustace said “that does not matter”.

Astaphan told Exeter that he (Exeter) was three feet away from the table when Eustace said that.

He asked Exeter what Eustace was responding to when she said, “that does not matter”.

“You should ask Miss Eustace that,” Exeter said, adding, “I don’t know.”

He said that he did not hear what Eustace said.

Astaphan, however, said that to speed up his cross examination, he is suggesting that on two occasions, after Eustace spoke about the ballot not having the initials and stamp, Gaymes said, “you did not oppose”.

“Oppose what?” Exeter said.

“The count!” Astaphan responded

“He said the count?” Exeter said.

Astaphan then asked for the applicable section of the video to be replayed and Exeter said, “Please.”

Senior Counsel Anthony Astaphan. (iWN photo)

Astaphan then asked the technician to stop the video as soon as Eustace is finished speaking to Gaymes.  

However, when the video was replayed, Astaphan asked Exeter if Eustace was complaining that Gaymes had counted ballots without the initials and the stamp when previously he had rejected them.

Exeter said that is the case and it was a complaint made in his presence.

Astaphan then asked that the playing of the video resume.

He asked that it be paused and told Exeter, “you didn’t oppose”.

“Oppose what?” Exeter said.

“I am suggesting to you that the complaint that no ‘you did not oppose’ was a response to the count.”

He asked Exeter if he had heard the words, ‘You did not oppose” and Exeter said yes.

“But opposing what?” Exeter said, adding that he had heard it once, and not twice, as Astaphan asked.

Astaphan then asked that the video be played again and suggested to Exeter that Gaymes was responding to Eustace.

Returning Officer for Central Leeward in teh 2015 election, Winston Gaymes. (iWN file photo)

But Exeter told the court that the first thing was that the voice in the video was not Gaymes’ but Gideon Nash.

Exeter said he knows Nash’s voice, adding that Nash is his neighbour in Layou.

Astaphan then inquired about who Nash was and his legal team told him he was a witness for the government in the case.

Astaphan suggested to him that Nash was responding specifically to Eustace’s complaint that Gaymes had counted ballots that he had previously rejected.

“Is Mr. Nash in a position to ask that? Was he the retuning officer?” Exeter asked.

At this point, Senior Counsel Douglas Mendes, the lead counsel for the government, said,

“Tony, are you being cross examined?”

Mendes was responding to the fact that Exeter, as a witness, was asking question of Astaphan, who was conducting the cross examination, rather than answering the lawyer’s question.

“No,” Astaphan said, resulting in laughter in the courtroom.

Astaphan told Exeter that Nash was attending the count on behalf of Sir Louis.

Exeter said he did not know if that was the case, adding that he had seen Nash there but did not know in what capacity he was there.

Astaphan again made the suggestion that Nash was responding to Eustace, saying that she did not oppose the count of the votes that were in fact counted in polling station CLF.

“First it was Mr. Gaymes, now it’s Mr. Nash,” Exeter said, and told the court that he disagrees with Astaphan’s suggestion.   

He told the court he cannot read Nash’s mind and had no idea what Nash was referring to.

“There was a lot of cross talk in the room. I don’t know what he (Nash) was talking to.”

During cross examination by Mendes, Exeter told the court that he had read the evidence of Gaymes in the case.

Senior Counsel, Douglas Mendes. (iWN photo)

Exeter maintained his position that he did not know who Nash was representing.

Mendes said that Exeter was maintaining that position even though he and Eustace had said in their evidence that Gaymes was favouring Nash, who was representing Sir Louis.

Mendes said that in her comments “It does not matter”, Eustace was not saying “no we did not oppose” but was saying, “It does not matter that we did not oppose”.

Exeter disagreed with Mendes’ interpretation of Eustace’s meaning.

Exeter said there was a lot of crosstalk in the room at the same time and that he does not know what Nash was talking about.

During his re-examination by counsel John, Exeter told the court that he did not recall hearing Nash make the alleged statement at the time that the video was being made.

John then told the court that Eustace had made the video and questions were asked regarding what she meant when she made the video.

John said he thinks it is fair that she should be able to clarify.

Mendes objected, saying that Eustace has been sitting in the courtroom the entire time and has seen the exchange.

“And we don’t know what use her evidence is going to be now,” the lawyer said. 

But John responded, telling the court that Eustace was the first witness and was sitting in the court when Exeter testified and would have heard the testimony of every other witness.  

Lead lawyer for the petitioners, Stanley “Stalky” John. (iWN photo)

For his part, Astaphan told the court that his objection is slightly different from Mendes’ and said the audio of the video is very clear and the evidence before the court is that there is only one ballot box with all the ballots missing the initials and official marks.

The judge, Justice Stanley John, however, allowed the petitioners to recall Eustace, to be re-examined by counsel John. 

Eustace confirmed that her voice is on the video.
She said her recollection is that when she made the comment “it did not matter”, she was responding to Gaymes, when he said, “I did it for both.” 

“I understood him to be saying that allowing the ballots affected both parties. It was a reference, as I understood it, to an earlier statement that Mr. Gaymes made that what is good for the goose is good for the gander when we objected to his allowing the ballots that were void.” 

Mendes then asked Eustace if she heard someone say on the video you “You did not oppose”?

She said she recalled hearing someone saying, “I did it for both.

“That is how it sounded to me,” she said.

Mendes asked that the video be replayed and Eustace asked that she stop the technician when she hears the statement “I did it for both.”

The video was stopped at a point where Gaymes appears to be saying twice, “I did it for both”.

After saying it once, Eustace said, “Pardon me?” and Gaymes repeated the statement.

Eustace then told him, “Does that matter, it is the integrity of the process.”

Counsel John urged Mendes to have the video played again.

However, Mendes told the court that they would all listen the video in private and see what is being heard.

Maia Eustace during a break in the proceeding on Monday, Feb. 11, 2019. (iWN photo)

“It is one or the other, my Lord. If Miss Eustace is correct, that he said ‘I did it for both’, then I deeply apologise. Then, on the other hand, my lord, if what we are hearing is that ‘you did not oppose’, then we will make submission in due course.”

The judge asked Mendes if he does not need to hear the video again and Mendes said he does not think any purpose would be served by doing so.

“We are hearing different things, apparently. By the way, Mr. Exeter also heard something different,” Mendes said, referring to the question that Astaphan had put to the petitioners.

The trial continues on Monday at the NIS Conference Room in Kingstown, when then election chief, Sylvia Findlay-Scrubb, will be cross examined by Keith Scotland on behalf of Lauron Baptiste.

Baptiste is challenging the results in North Windward in the 2015 election.

Electoral officials say that the ULP won eight of the 15 parliamentary seats for a fourth consecutive term in office.

4 replies on “PETITIONS TRIAL: Video shows NDP teams objecting to counting of void ballots”

  1. I distinctly recall reading at the time (but cannot immediately find the source) that it was Ben Exeter who requested that Winston Gaymes count the earlier rejected ballots in question which Gaymes did replying that, “What is good for the goose is good for the gander.”

    But see also the reply of the impartial Organization of American States observers:

    “… the OAS said that notwithstanding its concerns [see the source below], its observers ‘did not discern any fraudulent or other activities at the Final Count which could have materially affected the outcome of the vote in which the ULP candidate won by 313 votes.’ ” (https://www.iwnsvg.com/2016/05/17/central-leeward-returning-officer-was-bias-towards-ulp-oas/ ).

    My view is that, at the end of the day, Mendes will reach the very same conclusion.

  2. One of the central reasons that the two election petitioners will lose this case is that their previous attempts to look for key evidence to support their assertions have already been rejected by the courts on legal or other reasonable grounds as, for example, in the following judgement: https://www.eccourts.org/lauron-baptiste-and-benjamin-exeter-v-vil-davis-and-winston-gaymes/ .

    As it now stands, they are simply bailing water out of a quickly sinking ship.

    Too bad their beguiled supporters haven’t a clue about any of this (because they don’t have the smarts or education to read let alone understand previous rulings) and can only keep crying in vain that the elections in the two constituencies were stolen and that if Judge Mendes rules otherwise this is proof positive of judicial bias and/or corruption.

    No wonder we are such a screwed up country.

    1. Mendes is not the Judge. He is one of the lawyers for the Respondents. The Judge in this case is Justice Stanley John.

      Though your statement holds some facts, why do you find it necessary to belittle people’s lack of ability to understand certain information. In this instance, this jurisprudence from these petitions so far will contain legal language that the “reasonable man or woman” may not understand. Why not consider the option of breaking legalese into simple language if you possess the skill or competence as opposed to belittling.

      That being said, I do agree that they are trying to bail from a ship that has long sunk and when judgment in this case is rendered, we will get cries that in this instance, justice was not done fairly. They will quickly forget the ECSC’s ruling in their favor.

      It will be interesting to see as we proceed into the next election campaign, if the NDP will change their stances after a 3.5 year “pappyshow” is now clear for all to see.

      It’s a shame that this may be the final nail in securing the ULP’S 5 IN A ROW. I was really hoping for a viable alternative but the NDP continuously fails to provide the people of SVG with another option than the ULP.

  3. There is such a thing as video transcript which would include everything that was spoken in the video. However video and audio files can be manipulated. These files are difficult to be admitted as evidence.

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